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		<title>By: Closed Doors at the Council &#124; Pete Ashton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closed Doors at the Council &#124; Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Closed Doors at the Council - One of the questions that&#039;s often asked about the decline of local newspapers is how will local government be held to account if no-one is watching? Manchester website MULE decided to have a go, with predictably depressing results. This reminded me of when I first started dabbling in blogging about Birmingham and went to an event at the Birmingham council chamber. Mike Whitby, the leader, spoke for 20 minutes. I had no idea what he said. One might think they don&#039;t want people to understand them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Closed Doors at the Council &#8211; One of the questions that&#39;s often asked about the decline of local newspapers is how will local government be held to account if no-one is watching? Manchester website MULE decided to have a go, with predictably depressing results. This reminded me of when I first started dabbling in blogging about Birmingham and went to an event at the Birmingham council chamber. Mike Whitby, the leader, spoke for 20 minutes. I had no idea what he said. One might think they don&#39;t want people to understand them. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Closed Doors at the Council &#124; Pete Ashton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closed Doors at the Council &#124; Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Closed Doors at the Council - One of the questions that&#039;s often asked about the decline of local newspapers is how will local government be held to account if no-one is watching? Manchester website MULE decided to have a go, with predictably depressing results. This reminded me of when I first started dabbling in blogging about Birmingham and went to an event at the Birmingham council chamber. Mike Whitby, the leader, spoke for 20 minutes. I had no idea what he said. One might think they don&#039;t want people to understand them. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Janik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Janik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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Absolutely brilliant - Welcome to English Local Government.

There is a fundamental problem with English local government (never mind Scottish or Welsh - they can sort out their own problems because they have their own parliament and assembly - we in England have nothing).

In England we have unelected and publicly unaccountable council officials literally doing what they like whenever they like, councillors being ineffective at properly representing the public, important decisions being taken in de facto secrecy which means important information affecting the lives of local residents being withheld from them.

All this is actually called &quot;Local Democracy&quot;. Democracy? What a sick joke. England has never ever had true democracy of any kind - only a pathetic shambles of what democracy could, and should, be.

1. Local votes on local issues. Any resident from 11 upwards should be able to vote on something that affects, or could affect, them. The result of the vote should be binding on the local authority.

2. Regular three-monthly council meetings in different parts of the local authority area WITH all the directors and chief executive answering ad-hoc questions form the public that attend. No more should unelected council officials be able to make executive decisions (under the local authority&#039;s delegation of &#039;power&#039; from the councillors to officials) and then escape the consequences of their bad and ineffective work. They must, like councillors, be publicly accountable to the public they are being paid to serve.

3. The same with the police force - every three months public meetings with the Area Commander - sometimes called the Local Police Area (LPA) Commander - usually a Chief Inspector or Superintendent.

4. All senior council officials on continuous annual contracts - not given jobs for life - so it is easy and cheaper to fire ineffective top officials by having to give them a maximum of a year&#039;s salary to go compared with the present system of SECRET - withheld from the public - pay-offs which could amount  to £1/3 or even £1/2 million pounds.

I could go on like this for hours.

Paul Janik
PPPILA - Promoting Public Participation in Local Affairs.
01753-208111
slough.party  (at)  gmail.com

(coming sometime in September www.badgov.org.uk with examples of our wunderful local council with plenty of room for the achievements of other wunderful councils and public bodies)</description>
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<p>Absolutely brilliant &#8211; Welcome to English Local Government.</p>
<p>There is a fundamental problem with English local government (never mind Scottish or Welsh &#8211; they can sort out their own problems because they have their own parliament and assembly &#8211; we in England have nothing).</p>
<p>In England we have unelected and publicly unaccountable council officials literally doing what they like whenever they like, councillors being ineffective at properly representing the public, important decisions being taken in de facto secrecy which means important information affecting the lives of local residents being withheld from them.</p>
<p>All this is actually called &#8220;Local Democracy&#8221;. Democracy? What a sick joke. England has never ever had true democracy of any kind &#8211; only a pathetic shambles of what democracy could, and should, be.</p>
<p>1. Local votes on local issues. Any resident from 11 upwards should be able to vote on something that affects, or could affect, them. The result of the vote should be binding on the local authority.</p>
<p>2. Regular three-monthly council meetings in different parts of the local authority area WITH all the directors and chief executive answering ad-hoc questions form the public that attend. No more should unelected council officials be able to make executive decisions (under the local authority&#8217;s delegation of &#8216;power&#8217; from the councillors to officials) and then escape the consequences of their bad and ineffective work. They must, like councillors, be publicly accountable to the public they are being paid to serve.</p>
<p>3. The same with the police force &#8211; every three months public meetings with the Area Commander &#8211; sometimes called the Local Police Area (LPA) Commander &#8211; usually a Chief Inspector or Superintendent.</p>
<p>4. All senior council officials on continuous annual contracts &#8211; not given jobs for life &#8211; so it is easy and cheaper to fire ineffective top officials by having to give them a maximum of a year&#8217;s salary to go compared with the present system of SECRET &#8211; withheld from the public &#8211; pay-offs which could amount  to £1/3 or even £1/2 million pounds.</p>
<p>I could go on like this for hours.</p>
<p>Paul Janik<br />
PPPILA &#8211; Promoting Public Participation in Local Affairs.<br />
01753-208111<br />
slough.party  (at)  gmail.com</p>
<p>(coming sometime in September <a href="http://www.badgov.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.badgov.org.uk</a> with examples of our wunderful local council with plenty of room for the achievements of other wunderful councils and public bodies)</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike

I am going to write a book about appalling Stockport Council - working title:- A Four Star Council</description>
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<p>I am going to write a book about appalling Stockport Council &#8211; working title:- A Four Star Council</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think Cheltenham Borough Council will make a best seller eventually.  Young peole will pick up the tab for the finacial mess this country is in, and they will also pick up the tab for the breakdown of Democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think Cheltenham Borough Council will make a best seller eventually.  Young peole will pick up the tab for the finacial mess this country is in, and they will also pick up the tab for the breakdown of Democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stockport Council is terrible. There are no accurate minutes of meetings.  The Leader can call members of the public in the gallery liars and provide no proof.  Ordinary people who go to ask public questions are treated with complete contempt.  The public question request forms containing names, addresses and signatures were put up on the Council website. They were told about this on a Thursday evening at the full council meeting, but did nothing to remove the offending data protection violations until the following Monday afternoon, and then only after the Information Commission and police had been contacted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stockport Council is terrible. There are no accurate minutes of meetings.  The Leader can call members of the public in the gallery liars and provide no proof.  Ordinary people who go to ask public questions are treated with complete contempt.  The public question request forms containing names, addresses and signatures were put up on the Council website. They were told about this on a Thursday evening at the full council meeting, but did nothing to remove the offending data protection violations until the following Monday afternoon, and then only after the Information Commission and police had been contacted.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to hear of your experiences of local democracy in Manchester. However, many local councils now webcast their meetings, which may not make them more interesting, but at least makes them more open and transparent - and you don&#039;t have to watch the whole meeting to find the item you&#039;re interested in. Some have even reduced the jargon and improved the language to make it more understandable to the audience so they&#039;re not all bad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to hear of your experiences of local democracy in Manchester. However, many local councils now webcast their meetings, which may not make them more interesting, but at least makes them more open and transparent &#8211; and you don&#8217;t have to watch the whole meeting to find the item you&#8217;re interested in. Some have even reduced the jargon and improved the language to make it more understandable to the audience so they&#8217;re not all bad&#8230;</p>
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