Comments on: Stand up and be Counted http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted News with a Kick Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:42:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: andyl http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-829 andyl Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:01:17 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-829 Yep, the Facebook group is here: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=112372698189&ref=ts Yep, the Facebook group is here:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=112372698189&ref=ts

]]> By: Emo http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-821 Emo Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:48:22 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-821 Another way to show support is to join one of the Facebook groups: 'Support Lance Corporal Joe Glenton' Sadly there are Facebook groups that are taking the piss, joined by people who are really shaken by his move, clearly because it makes them reflect on their own choices. Another way to show support is to join one of the Facebook groups:
‘Support Lance Corporal Joe Glenton’
Sadly there are Facebook groups that are taking the piss, joined by people who are really shaken by his move, clearly because it makes them reflect on their own choices.

]]> By: TIm http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-822 TIm Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:13:53 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-822 He got arrested for speaking at an anti war demo. He got arrested for speaking at an anti war demo.

]]> By: Champ Beauchamp http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-828 Champ Beauchamp Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:44 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-828 I guess remembrance ceremonies have selective memories. I guess remembrance ceremonies have selective memories.

]]> By: lou http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-827 lou Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:15:04 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-827 I heard that last night he was arrested. Amongst all the assorted war porn in the media over the last few days, they seem to have kept Joe's story very quiet indeed. I heard that last night he was arrested. Amongst all the assorted war porn in the media over the last few days, they seem to have kept Joe’s story very quiet indeed.

]]> By: Champ Beauchamp http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-825 Champ Beauchamp Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:17:15 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-825 They're not stupid, they don't join simply because the government 'lied to them', they have a decision making process of their own. Imperialism and 'peacekeeping' is not forced on people by evil forces outside of their control, it's part of our ethical fabric. By turning against the army, and publicly at that, he's accepting his own responsibility. Saying he shouldn't have joined in the first place misses the point, which is that we live in a militaristic society that treats murder as a virtue. But equally saying he has no control over that decision is very simplistic and reduces him to a rag-doll, which he clearly isn't. They’re not stupid, they don’t join simply because the government ‘lied to them’, they have a decision making process of their own. Imperialism and ‘peacekeeping’ is not forced on people by evil forces outside of their control, it’s part of our ethical fabric.

By turning against the army, and publicly at that, he’s accepting his own responsibility. Saying he shouldn’t have joined in the first place misses the point, which is that we live in a militaristic society that treats murder as a virtue. But equally saying he has no control over that decision is very simplistic and reduces him to a rag-doll, which he clearly isn’t.

]]> By: Si http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-823 Si Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:01:42 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-823 Niall, you're right that he shouldn't have signed up in the first place but people are allowed to change their mind. Nobody would sign up to the army in the first place if it wasn't for the government lying to them, telling them that they'll be going to Afghanistan or Iraq for a noble cause. Niall, you’re right that he shouldn’t have signed up in the first place but people are allowed to change their mind. Nobody would sign up to the army in the first place if it wasn’t for the government lying to them, telling them that they’ll be going to Afghanistan or Iraq for a noble cause.

]]> By: Niall http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-826 Niall Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:20:03 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-826 Maybe someone should have pointed out to Joe before he enlisted that the military have been in the business of 'bringing death and devastastion' to countries for quite a long time now. It's certainly not a career for anyone who doesn't want to spend their time indiscriminately killing people. I realise it's often the last resort of the desperate but if no-one joins up then there's no-one to send on these insane imperialistic missions. Maybe someone should have pointed out to Joe before he enlisted that the military have been in the business of ‘bringing death and devastastion’ to countries for quite a long time now. It’s certainly not a career for anyone who doesn’t want to spend their time indiscriminately killing people.

I realise it’s often the last resort of the desperate but if no-one joins up then there’s no-one to send on these insane imperialistic missions.

]]> By: Jenny Hearle http://manchestermule.com/article/stand-up-and-be-counted/comment-page-1#comment-824 Jenny Hearle Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:51:05 +0000 http://themule.info/?p=1129#comment-824 What a fantastic wedding photo! Am behind Joe and Clare 100%! What a brave man! I had the pleasure of meeting Joe and Clare at Trafalgar Square, at the demonstration. What a determined couple they are with huge values. Very rare with our young people of today. They will make fantastic parents! They should open a centre in their home town for young people in trouble to try and get them on the straight and narrow. I'll volunteer to help and do what I can. What a fantastic wedding photo! Am behind Joe and Clare 100%! What a brave man! I had the pleasure of meeting Joe and Clare at Trafalgar Square, at the demonstration. What a determined couple they are with huge values. Very rare with our young people of today. They will make fantastic parents! They should open a centre in their home town for young people in trouble to try and get them on the straight and narrow. I’ll volunteer to help and do what I can.

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